I wanted to share with you this embarrassing game
Nothing wrong with theory
Hi Albert,
there's nothing wrong with theory. You just can't play this defense like you did:-((1) Be7 is too slow 2) The Ng8 should be developed before Nb8 3) A critical square is d5 you made no move to control this square 4) you should never choose an opening-line like the Philidor if you've no idea of the strategy to be followed 5) Enjoy his music and drop this opening - it's by far too passive
Regards
Hans
there's nothing wrong with theory. You just can't play this defense like you did:-((1) Be7 is too slow 2) The Ng8 should be developed before Nb8 3) A critical square is d5 you made no move to control this square 4) you should never choose an opening-line like the Philidor if you've no idea of the strategy to be followed 5) Enjoy his music and drop this opening - it's by far too passive
Regards
Hans
Philidor
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mic
enjoyed chess for thirty years...have lots of books and mags but never time to study. Maybe when I retire...chess strength has gone done ratings are unrealistic
Well, ever since I started playing chess, I really liked this opening, one of my favorites, it is very solid.
But when you do all your theory book moves, then there is nothing of attack in your pieces, they can do nothing at all. You can only wait...
And like you can see there are holes in it I never have seen before.
But when you do all your theory book moves, then there is nothing of attack in your pieces, they can do nothing at all. You can only wait...
And like you can see there are holes in it I never have seen before.
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There are many ways to play the Philidor, but lines including 3...Nd7 and 4...Nd7 contain many traps. There are three that you should be aware of:
Along with the one you fell into, there is also 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Bc4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Be7
which loses to 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Ne6
Black loses if he takes the knight because of 8. Qd5+ Kf6 9. Qf5# He has to move his queen which allows Nxc7.
The other trap occurs after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. dxe5 dxe5 7. Ng5. Black doesn't win a piece by taking the knight, because of Qh5. If black plays 7...Nh6 instead to defend the f-pawn, White can play 8. Ne6. Again capture doesn't work because of 9. Bxh6. Now 9...hxg6
loses to 10. Qh5+ Kf8 11. Bxe6. There is no way to stop both Qf7# and Qxh6#. Black's best alternatives are probably 9...0-0 and 9...Ng6. It's long winded but good to know.
I hope these help... I don't actually know what you should play instead though.
I did read somewhere that 3...Nf6 is best.
Sir Thursday
Along with the one you fell into, there is also 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Bc4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Be7
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The other trap occurs after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. dxe5 dxe5 7. Ng5. Black doesn't win a piece by taking the knight, because of Qh5. If black plays 7...Nh6 instead to defend the f-pawn, White can play 8. Ne6. Again capture doesn't work because of 9. Bxh6. Now 9...hxg6
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I hope these help... I don't actually know what you should play instead though.
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Why did you resign!
I don't know why you resigned! You should have tried a couple of moves more to see if you could get a better position. Take the move Kg1h6 which covers the f7 square also allowing you to castle, this is best for your position but also to an extreme you could have used d6 to open an escape for the king for the time being where if white checked with bishop you could use Bc8d7 to block and then whatever from there. I think there was possibilty there.
hybriddream: Yes you are correct, only moves Black has are Nh6 and 0-0 to avoid mate. Problem is that after 6...Nh6 7.Bxh6 0-0 8.Be3 Black is a piece down and White can just exchange down to won endgame.
BTW, there is a similar trap in Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Be7 5.c3 dxc3?! 6.Qd5
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r1bqk1nr/ppppbppp/2n5/3Q4/2B1P3/2p2N2/PP3PPP/RNB1K2R b KQkq - 0 6
Here the moves Nh6 and 0-0 keep Black in the game as White can't hold on to the material (6...Nh6 7.Bxh6 0-0 8. Bc8? Nb5 or 8...c2).
- bahus
BTW, there is a similar trap in Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Be7 5.c3 dxc3?! 6.Qd5
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r1bqk1nr/ppppbppp/2n5/3Q4/2B1P3/2p2N2/PP3PPP/RNB1K2R b KQkq - 0 6
Here the moves Nh6 and 0-0 keep Black in the game as White can't hold on to the material (6...Nh6 7.Bxh6 0-0 8. Bc8? Nb5 or 8...c2).
- bahus