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Am I wrong?

Post by boeien » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:37 pm

I just played my shortest games ever. One lost in 4 moves, one won in 6 moves. To be honest, I resigned on move 4, my opponent (ecperreault) on move 6. What's the problem? I resigned because I was very upset by the way of playing of Ecperreault: in game 1 ((boeien-ecperreault) it went : 1.e4,a6 2.d4,h6 and in game 2 (ecperreault-boeien) 1.h3,e5 2.a3,d5 and so on. I am not a genius, but as a player with a rather good ratng I want to be taken serious. With everybody I played here I had nice games, with normal openings, and mutual respect. Now my question: am I wrong? I resigned and refused to play such stupid games as mentioned above. Am I too upset? Ecperreault is a good player -I told him that, he was in round 2 of the netchess tournament with good results-, and a very funny reporter (check the forum). Why such an insulting way of playing chess? Or am I wrong?

Greetings, Boeien

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Post by islanderfan » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:06 pm

Last I checked his game his openings, your game your openings.

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Post by ecperreault » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:03 pm

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Re: Am I wrong?

Post by energy » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:42 am

boeien wrote:Why such an insulting way of playing chess? Or am I wrong?
Unfortunately, you are wrong. In my humble opinion.
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Post by cmulligan » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:22 am

Actually IM Michael Basman has a published book on a6 called The New St.George and has played stuff like this in strong competition.In fact,Tony Miles beat Karpov with a game starting 1...a6.

The game was played in 1980 at the European Team Champ. Final in Sweden & was as follows Karpov-Miles 1.e4 a6 2.d4 b5 3.Nf3 Bb7 4.Bd3 Nf6 5.Qe2 e6 5.Qe2 e6 6.a4 c5 7.dc Bxc5 8.Nbd2 b4 9.e5 Nd5 10.Ne4 Be7 11.0-0 Nc6 12.Bd2 Qc7 13.c4 bc3 14.Nxc3 Nxc3 15.Bxc3 Nb4 16.Bxb4 Bxb4 17.Rac1 Qb6 18.Be4 0-0 19.Ng5 h6 20.Bh7+ Kh8 21.Bb1 Be7 22.Ne4 Rac8 23.Qd3??(Not sure who annotated but 23.Rcd1 or 23.Rxc8 are reccomended) Rxc1 24.Rxc1 Qxb2 25.Re1 Qxe5 26.Qxd7 Bb4 27.Re3 Qd5 28.Qxd5 Bxd5 29.Nc3 Rc8 30. Ne2 g5 31.h4 Kg7 32.hg hg 33.Bd3 a5 34.Rg3 Kf6 35.Rg4 Bd6 36.Kf1 Be5 37.Ke1 Rh8 38.f4 gf 39.Nxf4 Bc6 40.Ne2 Rh1+ 41.Kd2 Rh2 42.g3 Bf3 43.Rg8 Rg2 44.Ke1 Bxe2 45.Bxe2 Rxg3 46.Ra8 Bc7 0-1 Please excuse any errors I may have made copying this.This has also been played as far back as the 1800's with both Blackburne & Steinitz losing to a J.Baker in 1868.

You have to realize that it may be offbeat but is not an "insult" or "joke" opening,but an actual booked opening system.In fact I usually play offbeat stuff & NEVER play e4,d4,e5,or d5 as my first moves with veeery rare exception.I just don't find them as enjoyable as my more unusual openings.When I play something offbeat against an opponent I certainly take the game & my opponent seriously,but that doesnt' mean I'm going to play something I find less fun.I view chess as an enjoyable hobby I play for fun,so I play what I think is fun,as I'm sure Eugene does as well.In fact,against a stronger opponent I think it's actually smarter to get away from standard stuff unless I'm trying to learn from them.I'm sure Eugene was just trying to get you away from the "book" which is just smart strategy.Chatting with him,I'm certain no insult was meant.it's just a different playstyle is all.

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Post by cliff » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:09 am

I was going to add something, but it seems that Chris covered the bases! Much like Eugene, Chris tends to play the unexpected openings, and although thay may not be common, everday things like the Queens Gambit, Sicilain, et al, these are perfectly legal openings! We can only control choices on our side of the board, we can't dictate our opponents moves.

The point made about taking the opponent out of the book is valid also, as I found that out in a recent game against Eugene here:

[White "Dwyer, Cliff"]
[Black "Ecperreault"]
[Result "0-1"]

1.d4 h6 2.e4 a6 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bd3 Bg4 5.O-O e6 6.h3 Bxf3
7.Qxf3 Nd7 8.e5 c6 9.Re1 d5 10.Be3 Bb4 11.c3 Ba5 12.Qg4 g6
13.Bxg6 fxg6 14.Qxg6+ Kf8 15.Qxe6 Qe8 16.Qd6+ Kg7 17.e6 Ndf6
18.b4 Bb6 19.Qh2 Rh7 20.Qe5 Kh8 21.Qf5 Nh5 22.Bf4 Nxf4
23.Qxf4 Rg7 24.Re3 Bc7 25.Qf5 Qg6 26.Qxg6 Rxg6 27.Na3 Re8
28.Rae1 Bf4 29.R3e2 Nf6 30.c4 Kg7 31.h4 Re7 32.Kh1 Ne4 0-1

His "wacky" defense worked pretty well against me!


:) :) :)

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Post by islanderfan » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:16 pm

Understand Cliff, your no islanderfan and Davidswhite!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by cmulligan » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:46 pm

Yea Cliff! Like Brian said;you're not really,really...REALLY bad like him,or really good like Davidswhite...That is what he was saying wasnt it? :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by ecperreault » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:51 pm

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Post by cmulligan » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:11 pm

I wasnt defending you,Eugene.I was attacking Islanderfan.Now butt out... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by cmulligan » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:11 pm

Wow! This sudden awkward silence has me feeling uncomfortable.I was just kidding guys...I'm not really that mean...honest...really...Or am I? :twisted:

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Post by ecperreault » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:44 pm

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Post by islanderfan » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:34 pm

Not mad at him Eugene, but he shouldn't tell his opp. how to move his pieces is all I am saying.

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Post by ecperreault » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:08 pm

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Post by boeien » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:15 am

I thank everybody for thinking with me. I'll react in short, with one problem: english is not my 1st or 2nd language..

1) I didn't resign so quick in haste or so. I did because I asked two times friendly why my opponent made such moves, and two times no one word back. Strange for somebody who appeared to write much and good. Only after having resigned, I got an answer in the remaining game...
2) Off course I know the famous Karpov-Miles game. There happened 2..,b5 - not 2...,h6. That's an existing system. Only bunglers play the a- and h-pawn I thought till now, because of a lack off stategy-ideas and so on. Eugene isn't a bungler, so I asked why.
3) I never want to tell which moves my opponent has to do..
4) Nobody is harmed indeed, it costs me about 30 rating-points, but that means nothing to me.
5) What is the real Eugene: the diplomatic friendly one, or the one in the last post? There is some lack of civilization there as far as I understand...
6) I planned to challenge Eugene for two other games to keep in good relation together, but after having read above stuff, it seems not a good idea..

Greetings, boeien

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Post by cmulligan » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:48 am

I'm sure he'll tell you the same,but don't be upset by Eugene's post above.Eugene,Brian & I talk a lot of trash back & forth in jest.That's all that looks to be.Not actual negative comments directed at anyone.He's always come across to me as a nice fella,just with a sense of humor.

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Post by cmulligan » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:23 am

I actually missed that you were talking about 1...a6 followed by 2...h6.Sorry I missed that,but that primarily goes to Michael Basman who has also used that along with 1.h3 2.a3 in serious competition.I have scores from the 1990 British Championship in which he won games with both.His idea is to give the opponent free reign in the center while attacking from the flanks.The implication is that the opponent often overextends himself leaving vulnerabilities & also tends to underestimate the opening.Not saying the average player can do as well as a player of his caliber,but there is some thought to the system.

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Post by ecperreault » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:02 pm

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Post by sorim » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:42 am

Many good chess players in the early 20th tought the Caro - Cann opening is really bad. They called it it the dog opening.
They did not resign at move 2 but tried to refute the opening.

Later WM Botwinik used that opening and today nobody cares about the bad move 1..c6

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Post by islanderfan » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:27 am

Did I miss where you can't move this piece in an opening??

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Post by ecperreault » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:39 pm

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