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draws

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:54 am
by islanderfan
Greg can you tell me why a higher ranked player will have points deducted when there is a draw?Take a look at my last game with this fool (bcaley). I was under the under the impression that the more material you have the advantage would be on your side so why did I loose so many? Just curious. :?:

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:05 am
by redketchuplover
I'm not Greg but I play him on tv. A draw is a draw is a draw. Material doesn't matter.

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:37 pm
by primalinstinct
Material only matters in the calculation of an advantage. As redketchuplover put it, "A draw is a draw"!

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:57 pm
by islanderfan
I know that; what I am saying is as far as the point system here. Why should I lose some if any to a draw? I feel material should account if we are going to loose points in draw cases. I had this guy/ girl or both with the upper hand and he/she/it "forced" the draw. I would say my other point is if you can't win, JUST RESIGN.

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:19 pm
by primalinstinct
The loss of points in rating is probably due to the fact that you drew to a lesser rated opponent, and in the eyes of the ratings you should have had the win. Something to that nature - lol!

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:26 pm
by gmiller
When you play a player rated lower than you, you're expected to score 1 point with some probability between 50-100%. If you don't score 1 point, your rating goes down. The Wikipedia page for the Elo rating system has lots more information.

A draw is a draw

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:14 am
by slowblunder
It is 0.5 points each, that means less than the "expected" 0.8 points (example!) due to your rating difference on your end and more than the 0.2 "expected" points on your opponent´s end. Just simple as that!

It is of no interest whether anyone
- feels "forced" to this draw,
- blundered away a big advantage,
- was too bored by his opponent who didn´t resign,
- had to leave the game because of any real-life trouble,
- decided to accept the draw because of time-trouble on the clock,
- thinks he is the far better player,
- accepts the draw to make a team-match a safe win,
- accepts a draw in order to end a competition and qualify for the next round,
- ...

Like in all other competition events, it´s the final result that counts - not the history of the match/race/something. A soccer match is counted with a 0:0, even if team A only has a 20% ball-posession and no goal-chance and team B has a lot of clear chances and the referee appears to be blind in several situations. It´s called a "lucky draw" for team A, it´s a problem if team B should be proud to have shown the better performance or should be angry with the ref and its fate (bad luck). But it´s one point for both of the teams' scores - end of announcement.

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:38 am
by primalinstinct
Well put!

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forced draw!!!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:14 pm
by mic
Hockey guy, if that person forced a draw in a lost position they are doing quite well. I did the same thing in one of my games and the only reason I didn't resign earlier was that I saw a chance at a force stalemate...quite unusual and very happy to get the chance to do it. It was something to see...every bit of the imagination was used to accomplish this....so don't belittle a draw sometimes they are the best fights and sometimes not.
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